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Postby BenRoethig on Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:10 am

A local developer is planning a $70 million 450,000 mixed use complex along 5th street in Dubuque and no it isn't A.J. Spiegel. The building will feature 4-6 floor with street level retail, mid level offices, and condos $250-500,000 condos on the upper floors. Architecture is reminiscent of Victorian and turn of the century styles common in downtown Dubuque. From the looks of it, the development will be in a L-shape on 5th and Bell streets from Ice Harbor street near the old Adams company building (tan building on the far right of the picture) to the entrance to the new Diamond Jo Casino. The 18,000 square foot Adams building will be rebuilt into a new 2-story corporate headquarters for renowned Dubuque Architectural Firm the Durrant Group as part of the development. The firm currently has its offices on the 9th floor of the Dubuque Building.

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Postby Ingersoll1978 on Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:49 am

That looks awesome! Dubuque doesn't quit! :D
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Postby BenRoethig on Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:03 am

The TH Article: (Registration required)

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Postby DMRyan on Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:39 pm

That is a good looking development that any city would be proud of. That has more of a main street look to it than many of the faux cheesy main street buildings that get built today. This sounds like it was exactly what the doctor ordered for the Port of Dubuque area.

Here's a larger size of the rendering.

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Postby BenRoethig on Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

DMRyan wrote:That is a good looking development that any city would be proud of. That has more of a main street look to it than many of the faux cheesy main street buildings that get built today. This sounds like it was exactly what the doctor ordered for the Port of Dubuque area.


I think that's because they have a model to base it on. It looks like some of the buildings are based on the design of existing Dubuque buildings. The white building second to the left of the center section looks almost exactly like the Weber paper co. (now platinum services) building on the 100 block of main.
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Postby Brady on Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:03 am

i can't exactly grasp where this is near the port as i'm not too familiar with downtown dubuque. but will this occupy some of the horendous acres of parking that now exist between the port/river and contigeous downtown?
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Postby BenRoethig on Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:06 am

Brady wrote:i can't exactly grasp where this is near the port as i'm not too familiar with downtown dubuque. but will this occupy some of the horendous acres of parking that now exist between the port/river and contigeous downtown?


The Diamond Jo is taking over the parking lot space. At least the space west of Bell. The hotel and convention center will still have their lots on the east side of Bell and the museum will have its lots south of third along the harbor. This development uses the undeveloped green space north of the west lots. That being said, I wouldn't mind a private ramp from the hotel entrance to the third street intersection. Possibly something similar to tower place in Iowa City
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Postby BenRoethig on Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:54 am

Development map including Adams building.
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Okay. new developments here. First, as you can see the map is up. Here are the stipulations of the deal.
A. It will be developed in four stages.
1. The Adams company building renovation
2-4. Approx 150,000 square foot blocks. Two of these and $63 million in development is the minimum required development.
B. The city must build a $13 million 750 stall parking ramp adjacent to the site or pave the area north of McGraw hill by 2010. The Diamond Jo has agreed to pay half of the ramp costs.
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Postby BenRoethig on Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:31 am

Here's another little map to help you guys out. It does have a couple o my touches which aren't quite up with official plans like the extensions of third st, ice harbor street, and veterans drive. The "Americas river ramp" shown is not the ramp proposed. It's one my idea of a tower place style ramp to add a little more parking to the Hotel/Conference center and the museum. It would be in addition to the 750 space intermodel transit facility.

Note: I forget to get the map up if you see this, it'll be up in a second or two.
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Postby BenRoethig on Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:23 am

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New design and new name for this project: New main. It may also be done in single phase. It has gone from a turn of the century style to a modern glass style with two 9-story towers along 5th street and 7 story building along ice harbor street with 4-story segments in between. The buildings will shield the 5-story 1300 space parking ramp shared with the Diamond Jo and the entrences will be integrated into the design. In fact, there will be two stories of offices on top of the entrances.

More images exist on pages 1, 4, and 19 of the 365 ink magazine. Since it is a .pdf file, I can't post them.
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Postby Mastermind on Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:33 am

Wow, Dubuque is coming strong!! So with this project and the condo project Dubuque will see a (9,9,7 story towers) and (12,12,10,10,8,8 story towers)?? For a city of its size, Dubuque is kill'in it!!
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Postby Ingersoll1978 on Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:36 pm

I really like the look of this project. Very cool Dubuque! Something similiar would look great in our Gateway West area.
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Postby Westsider on Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:23 pm

Mastermind wrote:Wow, Dubuque is coming strong!! So with this project and the condo project Dubuque will see a (9,9,7 story towers) and (12,12,10,10,8,8 story towers)?? For a city of its size, Dubuque is kill'in it!!

Actually, the condo project, called "River Pointe" was downscaled to just 2 12-story towers. There was opposition from the neighbors over the number of units, traffic, etc... Originally, it was to have 450 condos and a 12-story office building, but will now have 250 condos. Still significant though. Also, since it's being built on top of the bluff, it will have much more visibility than if it were in the CBD. I don't know if people realize that Dubuque's bluffs are ~200 feet tall, so it has a natural height advantage there as well. The New Main project is impressive also. To get a sense of just some the activity that's going on, people should check out the pages in the link that Ben put in above.
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Postby Mastermind on Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:26 pm

Ingersoll, a project like this would be great around the riverfront, such as renovations to the YMCA.
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Postby BenRoethig on Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:39 pm

Westsider wrote:
Mastermind wrote:Wow, Dubuque is coming strong!! So with this project and the condo project Dubuque will see a (9,9,7 story towers) and (12,12,10,10,8,8 story towers)?? For a city of its size, Dubuque is kill'in it!!

Actually, the condo project, called "River Pointe" was downscaled to just 2 12-story towers. There was opposition from the neighbors over the number of units, traffic, etc... Originally, it was to have 450 condos and a 12-story office building, but will now have 250 condos. Still significant though. Also, since it's being built on top of the bluff, it will have much more visibility than if it were in the CBD. I don't know if people realize that Dubuque's bluffs are ~200 feet tall, so it has a natural height advantage there as well. The New Main project is impressive also. To get a sense of just some the activity that's going on, people should check out the pages in the link that Ben put in above.


It's 2-12 story main towers. Each main tower is flanked by two 8-story and one ten story towers.
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Postby BenRoethig on Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:44 pm

Mastermind wrote:Wow, Dubuque is coming strong!! So with this project and the condo project Dubuque will see a (9,9,7 story towers) and (12,12,10,10,8,8 story towers)?? For a city of its size, Dubuque is kill'in it!!


Actually, it's only five stories of condos. Street level is retail, levels 2-4 are office space, and 5-9 are condos. The 7-story building may be a pure office building, but I'm not sure of that.

Ingersoll1978 wrote:I really like the look of this project. Very cool Dubuque! Something similiar would look great in our Gateway West area.


I was very intrigued when I saw the original plan, this this blows me away.
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Postby vitoaf27 on Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:56 pm

i, for one, am much more excited with the new design. while i liked the main-street look of the older design, i really like the new modern look, which dubuque lacks throughout the downtown area. we need some stuff like this for the warehouse district.

note: can anyone clarify the boundaries of the warehouse district? i was wondering how big it is, so if there is redevelopment occurring i can judge on how much impact its going to have.
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Postby Westsider on Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:22 pm

vitoaf27 wrote:i, for one, am much more excited with the new design. while i liked the main-street look of the older design, i really like the new modern look, which dubuque lacks throughout the downtown area. we need some stuff like this for the warehouse district.

I agree. The new design is much better, and will fit in with the new construction in the Port area.

note: can anyone clarify the boundaries of the warehouse district? i was wondering how big it is, so if there is redevelopment occurring i can judge on how much impact its going to have.

It's not clearly defined, but I generally think of it as the area north of East 5th Street, south of East 11th Street, and between White Street and the elevated expressway (151/61). Some other adjacent blocks may be an extension of it as well, like on the west side of White (5th-8th) or on the north side of 11th (Elm-Jackson). The boundaries I use are also mentioned in this article: http://www.nicholasjohnson.org/politics/IaChild2/mkth0618.html
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Postby DMRyan on Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:21 pm

WOW!

I really liked the look of the old development, but it would fit in much nicer on a surface parking lot closer to downtown. This new, more modern looking rendering fits much better with what has been established so far in the Port of Dubuque.

Go Dubuque, and hopefully this project gets off without a hitch.
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Postby BenRoethig on Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:50 am

DMRyan wrote:WOW!

I really liked the look of the old development, but it would fit in much nicer on a surface parking lot closer to downtown. This new, more modern looking rendering fits much better with what has been established so far in the Port of Dubuque.

Go Dubuque, and hopefully this project gets off without a hitch.


There's actually so much interest it could come ahead of the 2009 schedule.
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Postby BenRoethig on Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:09 am

vitoaf27 wrote:i, for one, am much more excited with the new design. while i liked the main-street look of the older design, i really like the new modern look, which dubuque lacks throughout the downtown area. we need some stuff like this for the warehouse district.

note: can anyone clarify the boundaries of the warehouse district? i was wondering how big it is, so if there is redevelopment occurring i can judge on how much impact its going to have.


I tend to agree. Despite what my old college schoolmate Katie Bahl might say, the only real resource of the warehouse district is land. The big warehouse on Jackson between 6th and 7th would make an excellent candidate for condo conversion, and the Wilmac and Kerby properties are definitely useful, but the rest is a rundown slum. I have to say I'm pretty envious of what Moen is doing in Iowa City would would much prefer something similar to the plaza towers than a rundown old factory.
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Postby vitoaf27 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:05 pm

BenRoethig wrote:
vitoaf27 wrote:i, for one, am much more excited with the new design. while i liked the main-street look of the older design, i really like the new modern look, which dubuque lacks throughout the downtown area. we need some stuff like this for the warehouse district.

note: can anyone clarify the boundaries of the warehouse district? i was wondering how big it is, so if there is redevelopment occurring i can judge on how much impact its going to have.


I tend to agree. Despite what my old college schoolmate Katie Bahl might say, the only real resource of the warehouse district is land. The big warehouse on Jackson between 6th and 7th would make an excellent candidate for condo conversion, and the Wilmac and Kerby properties are definitely useful, but the rest is a rundown slum. I have to say I'm pretty envious of what Moen is doing in Iowa City would would much prefer something similar to the plaza towers than a rundown old factory.


definately. we just need some ambitious developers[like Spiegel and Briggs] to come in and see something out of the warehouses. isnt there some kind of incentive on the warehouses?

it would be GREAT to see those old, worn-down, eyesores out of dubuque, and new modernized[something that would still fit in with 'dubuque', though] residential/retail hotspots replace them. as warehouse revitilization is one of the envision 2010 goals, im pretty confident that something is being worked up behind the scenes, or at least will happen in the near future.
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Postby BenRoethig on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:10 pm

Nothing is being worked on behind the scenes. Katie pretty much wants to keep it as is. The ironic part is I'm the one who graduated with the history degree.
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Postby vitoaf27 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:22 pm

well, thats disappointing. what makes her want to keep it as it is? its time to change dubuque; almost all of the downtown is stuck in the old. while the rest of dubuque is in some type of a renaissance, with tons of retail expansion, transportation updates, and a modernized port, the downtown area has been left idle. main street is an exception, but its definately not enough to be considered a huge achievment. it would be okay to start small, but eventually i want the downtown area to be able to boast about tall condos, nice office buildings, fancy restraunts, fun nightlife, etc.
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Postby vitoaf27 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:46 pm

Here are just some more views of the building[from dubuque365.com]:

View of the side with the 7 story building:
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View of the front with the two 9 story buildings:
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View of the side with the parking ramp[which is obviously not designed yet..]:
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Postby Westsider on Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:02 pm

BenRoethig wrote:Nothing is being worked on behind the scenes.
How can you be so sure Ben? Things like these are usually in the works for months or even years before they're announced publicly. I know that if I were buying warehouse buildings for conversion, I would want to have everything lined up before I went public. Even if nothing is happening right now in the warehouse district, the chances of a revival are stronger now than ever. With increased interest in the downtown/port area, and with higher property values, it will only be a matter of time before something happens. Just look at the Dubuque Pack Co. site as an example. I think one of the keys to the area's revitalization is loosening the Fischer Companies' grip on downtown buildings. They are so irresponsible with their properties.
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Postby BenRoethig on Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:07 am

Westsider wrote:
BenRoethig wrote:Nothing is being worked on behind the scenes.
How can you be so sure Ben? Things like these are usually in the works for months or even years before they're announced publicly. I know that if I were buying warehouse buildings for conversion, I would want to have everything lined up before I went public. Even if nothing is happening right now in the warehouse district, the chances of a revival are stronger now than ever. With increased interest in the downtown/port area, and with higher property values, it will only be a matter of time before something happens. Just look at the Dubuque Pack Co. site as an example. I think one of the keys to the area's revitalization is loosening the Fischer Companies' grip on downtown buildings. They are so irresponsible with their properties.


They are converting some warehouses and some are being saved for low-cost entrepreneurial space. The rest is being kept for nostalgia reasons. As the "mill working district" is the largest of its kind left intact.

That being said, what me and vitoaf27 are talking about isn't conversion. We're talking about razing buildings that are no longer useful and building something new there. It's a great area for redevelopment with freeway access.
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Postby vitoaf27 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:59 am

BenRoethig wrote:
Westsider wrote:
BenRoethig wrote:Nothing is being worked on behind the scenes.
How can you be so sure Ben? Things like these are usually in the works for months or even years before they're announced publicly. I know that if I were buying warehouse buildings for conversion, I would want to have everything lined up before I went public. Even if nothing is happening right now in the warehouse district, the chances of a revival are stronger now than ever. With increased interest in the downtown/port area, and with higher property values, it will only be a matter of time before something happens. Just look at the Dubuque Pack Co. site as an example. I think one of the keys to the area's revitalization is loosening the Fischer Companies' grip on downtown buildings. They are so irresponsible with their properties.


They are converting some warehouses and some are being saved for low-cost entrepreneurial space. The rest is being kept for nostalgia reasons. As the "mill working district" is the largest of its kind left intact.

That being said, what me and vitoaf27 are talking about isn't conversion. We're talking about razing buildings that are no longer useful and building something new there. It's a great area for redevelopment with freeway access.


i took a look at that article westrider posted for the boundaries of the warehouse district, and youre right. the envision 2010 committee for warehouse revitilization isnt really planning to demolish anything, all they want to do is renovate it. im all for that if they can change the ENTIRE look of the run-down eyesores, but that doesnt seem likely either. according to that article[which is from last summer, but still reliable], they applied for the entire millworking district to be placed under the national register of historic places, and the process was being sponosored by the dubuque historic presevation commitee. i really do not see any point in 'preserving' it any longer. all it does is sit blight[blightly?] on downtown dubuque.
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Postby BenRoethig on Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:35 am

Really what it comes down to is do we want the area from 5th-12th from White to Elm looking like this:

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or this:

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I prefer the latter. I'm all for saving a building if its useful or significant. With the exception of three buildings, the warehouse district is neither.
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Postby vitoaf27 on Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:38 pm

BenRoethig wrote:Really what it comes down to is do we want the area from 5th-12th from White to Elm looking like this:

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or this:

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I prefer the latter. I'm all for saving a building if its useful or significant. With the exception of three buildings, the warehouse district is neither.


i agree 100%.
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