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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby pioneer98 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:10 am

bettman wrote:Of course rivalries are good for sports, but I'm not sure unbridled trash-talking is what makes a rivalry good. I'd rather watch two teams who are evenly matched to the point where every play is virtually a cliffhanger, than listen to fans from City A bash fans from City B because that's what they're all told to do.

I suppose the QC Steamwheelers could've played some pre-game video making fun of the Barnstormer fans when they visited in April, but I'm glad they didn't. It's always cheap and easy to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The focus should always be the game, not what fanclub can come up with the crudest insults. Given the fact minor league sports are widely marketed as family entertainment, I don't see how children would learn very much positive about respect and sportsmanship by encouraging behavior such as taunting visitors with mean-spirited comments.


I didn't say "unbridled" tash talking was what makes a rivalry good. In fact, nowhere did I say that the Steamwheelers should do ANYTHING of what you describe. I suggested that a local media person should pick up on the fact Des Moines people were making fun of QC fans and simply report it to the QC fans. That will get people here riled up to root against the Barnstormers, just like it did in the old Mallards days when Flint players and coaches were talking bad about the QC's and the local media reported on it.

And if you're not capable of explaining to your kid what behavior is good and bad at a game, then that's too bad. I don't know how you shield your kid from everything.

The kind of trash talking I'm referring to is more of the friendly variety. As a Cardinals fan, I'm always going back and forth with Cub fans. It's all in good fun, and I'm good friends with many of the people. Haven't you ever done this?????? This kind of back and forth is what makes Cards & Cubs fans circle all those games on the calender, regardless of how good the teams are or how close the games are every single year!!!!!
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:54 pm

So, as long as we insult the opposing fans, their wives, their children, and the city they live in…this routine will make the Barnstormers-Steamwheelers rivalry more fun to watch? That’s an interesting method for adding excitement to an event I think is already quite entertaining on its own merits.

As far as sheltering kids from everything; you can’t. However, you can act as a positive role model. Kids learn from watching their parents’ behavior. When you demonstrate to a child that its okay to say impolite things to a person or group of persons based on geographical considerations or what color uniform they’re wearing, I’m not sure that teaches a good lesson. While an adult might be able to compartmentalize this behavior as being “just in good fun”, children possess an entirely different maturity level which is not quite so nuanced.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby mirage1 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:14 pm

The Quad Cities team has a long and well deserved reputation of being the most dishonest and full out cheating team in the history of the AFL. The record is there for review.

It will be a long time before any thin skinned QC "fan" convinces me that this short, fun, and frankly, harmless video has any long term effect. One QC "fan", and it might be the same poster here that seems so offended, has posted on this subject about 30 times on the Barnstormers site, and 15 more times on this subject beating it to death on another AFL site. Relax already.

Frankly, you should be far more concerned about making sure the Pinwheelers can even stay in the league after this year...there seems to be a LOT of questions about that.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby pioneer98 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:14 pm

bettman wrote:So, as long as we insult the opposing fans, their wives, their children, and the city they live in…this routine will make the Barnstormers-Steamwheelers rivalry more fun to watch? That’s an interesting method for adding excitement to an event I think is already quite entertaining on its own merits.

As far as sheltering kids from everything; you can’t. However, you can act as a positive role model. Kids learn from watching their parents’ behavior. When you demonstrate to a child that its okay to say impolite things to a person or group of persons based on geographical considerations or what color uniform they’re wearing, I’m not sure that teaches a good lesson. While an adult might be able to compartmentalize this behavior as being “just in good fun”, children possess an entirely different maturity level which is not quite so nuanced.


You clearly lack the ability to discern nuance. Please read what I wrote, for the 3rd time now. I never suggested insulting anybody. Here's a quote of my first post:

Boy, I hope you are right!This is precisely the type of thing that will rile up the fans in QC. All we need is some local media (the QC Times or Dwyer and Michaels) to pick up on this QC bashing and hype it when the Lamb Chops come to town.

Please, show me where I said we should insult people.

mirage1 wrote:Frankly, you should be far more concerned about making sure the Pinwheelers can even stay in the league after this year...there seems to be a LOT of questions about that.

Yeah, I know. I've stated many times when the Omaha AHL franchise moved to QC how I'd never wish for any city to lose their team in any sport. I'll take it, but it still sucks for Omaha. It's unfortunate others would wish it on us.

Losing the Steamwheelers wouldn't exactly help Des Moines, either. They played 3 times this year. If QC folds, that is 3 games that will require Des Moines or their opponent to travel quite a bit further, not to mention losing a geographic rival.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby pioneer98 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:22 pm

mirage1 wrote:The Quad Cities team has a long and well deserved reputation of being the most dishonest and full out cheating team in the history of the AFL. The record is there for review.


Yeah, you know that Jim Foster was totally untrustworthy. Where did QC get him from again?
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:32 pm

mirage1 wrote:Frankly, you should be far more concerned about making sure the Pinwheelers can even stay in the league after this year...there seems to be a LOT of questions about that.

Frankly, there are many other things I'm more concerned about than if the Quad Cities has an af2 team next year. If the new owners can keep it going next year, great. If not, there are plenty of other summer activities to enjoy in the Quad Cities. Life for me doesn't revolve around having some minor league quasi-football team in the area.

PS--The thin-skinned guy who has posted about this on other boards is the president of the Steamwheelers booster club. That is not me. I don't even have season tickets to the Steamwheelers.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:56 pm

pioneer98 wrote:Please, show me where I said we should insult people.

If the strategy is getting Dwyer & Michaels to rile up QC fans about the comments they're making in Des Moines, then what do you think those fans will end up doing when the Barnstormer caravan returns to Moline next year? My guess is the Barnstormer fans will be treated in an unflattering manner. Why should we treat out-of-town guests at the i wireless center with contempt? They paid admission to watch a game, not to be told their wives are ugly and their place of residence sucks.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:31 pm

pioneer98 wrote:Yeah, I know. I've stated many times when the Omaha AHL franchise moved to QC how I'd never wish for any city to lose their team in any sport. I'll take it, but it still sucks for Omaha. It's unfortunate others would wish it on us.

Losing the Steamwheelers wouldn't exactly help Des Moines, either. They played 3 times this year. If QC folds, that is 3 games that will require Des Moines or their opponent to travel quite a bit further, not to mention losing a geographic rival

The Steamwheelers aren't even among the bottom ten in af2 attendance. There are 11 other teams with lower per-game averages this season. All the bad press about ownership is due to Bawden making some idiotic comments to the press. He won't even be an owner next year, which will probably help in getting the chaotic front office situation squared away.

I'm sure mirage1 will chuckle heartily if/when the Wheelers ever fold. Still, it hasn't happened yet.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby pioneer98 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:40 am

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pioneer98 wrote:Please, show me where I said we should insult people.

If the strategy is getting Dwyer & Michaels to rile up QC fans about the comments they're making in Des Moines, then what do you think those fans will end up doing when the Barnstormer caravan returns to Moline next year? My guess is the Barnstormer fans will be treated in an unflattering manner. Why should we treat out-of-town guests at the i wireless center with contempt? They paid admission to watch a game, not to be told their wives are ugly and their place of residence sucks.


I think a lot more people would show up to root against the Barnstormers, or Chops, or whatever. I think 99% of people would simply want to beat the opposing team and wouldn't get caught up in the nonsense you are talking about. Everyone I know sure wouldn't. The people I know would think the budding rivalry was kind of funny and/or novel, and might actually come out to a game for once.

But I can't say there won't be a bad apple here or there. Heck, you occasionally get bad apples even in the small crowds the Steamwheelers are drawing right now.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:37 am

Andy Fales now has another thing to be pissed about: the Steamwheelers made the post-season by beating Lexington 81-79 last night, while the Barnstormers will be playing their last game Saturday.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby Ingersoll1978 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:06 pm

The Barnstormers had record attendance for tonights game against the Tulsa Talons...10,512.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby Ankeny Husker Freak on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:57 am

The record may not reflect it, but congrats to the Barnstormers on what appears to be a very successful year. With it being AF2 and how the Des Moines area reacted to AF2 the last time around (that was mostly Jim Foster's doing, though), the attendance record is a tribute to the passion that remains for the Barnstormers after all these years and of course being inside and not having to worry about rain outs probably didn't hurt any either ;)
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby DMRyan on Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:48 pm

If this keeps up, I wonder what it would be like if the Barnstormers made it to the playoffs in the coming years? If we can get 10,000+ in for a game that means nothing, can we get a filled arena with 15,000+ in for the playoffs?

Strange that Des Moines has always had such strong support for the Barnstormers, except when they yanked the AFL team out for the AFL2 a decade ago. Even then, the attendance still wasn't entirely dismal. Des Moines supports the I-Cubs and the Barnstomers, but will things carry over to hockey and D-League b-ball too?
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:40 pm

DMRyan wrote:Strange that Des Moines has always had such strong support for the Barnstormers, except when they yanked the AFL team out for the AFL2 a decade ago. Even then, the attendance still wasn't entirely dismal. Des Moines supports the I-Cubs and the Barnstomers, but will things carry over to hockey and D-League b-ball too?

The Barnstormers and I-Cubs certainly benefit from being spring/summer sports clubs. If you look at all the competition for fall/winter sports coming from the high school and college levels, it's more difficult for minor league teams to carve out a huge market share. With Drake and Iowa State in the immediate Des Moines area, plus the Buccaneers Tier I junior hockey program you can see why the Energy and Chops have a much tougher task.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby pioneer98 on Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:34 pm

The 'wheelers drew 6,123 for their final home game last week, their largest crowd in a few seasons. They ended up averaging 4,400 per game this year, which is also their highest average in a few years. Hopefully they are heading in the right direction.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:34 am

The Steamwheelers finished ahead of 16 other teams in the af2 for average attendance this season. They aren't kicking ass with 9,300+ per game like the Barnstormers, but some of these folks who are giddy with anticipation that the Wheelers will fold before 2009 might end up being disappointed. I think once Bawden is out of the picture, the new owners will have a better chance at running a successful organization.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby PlatonKarataev on Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:45 pm

DMRyan wrote:If this keeps up, I wonder what it would be like if the Barnstormers made it to the playoffs in the coming years? If we can get 10,000+ in for a game that means nothing, can we get a filled arena with 15,000+ in for the playoffs?


Probably not. Minor league sports attendances are always boosted much more by corporate/casual season ticket holders. When you factor in that many casual fans attend games but don't follow the team as well as the short turnaround to purchase tickets, you will actually see drops in the playoffs in many minor leagues.

Barnstormer attendance dropped from the regular season for the 1997, 1999, and 2000 playoff games. The same actually happened with this year's ArenaBowl winner Philadelphia-- their regular season attendance was a little higher than their playoff attendance.

The I-Cubs in their playoff appearances often go from 6-8k down to 4-5k for a playoff game.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby pioneer98 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:43 pm

bettman wrote:The Steamwheelers finished ahead of 16 other teams in the af2 for average attendance this season. They aren't kicking ass with 9,300+ per game like the Barnstormers, but some of these folks who are giddy with anticipation that the Wheelers will fold before 2009 might end up being disappointed. I think once Bawden is out of the picture, the new owners will have a better chance at running a successful organization.


These people are short-sighted, anyway. Any time a team folds, it's bad news for the league, and it's even worse news for the teams who are losing a close geographic rival.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby bettman on Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:49 pm

Sadly, the af2 has several teams that fold or cease operations every season. There will be probably be 5 or 6 this season, though I don't believe the Steamwheelers are going to be among them. Despite the bad local press, QC did finish 13th in attendance out of 29 teams. There were four af2 teams that couldn't even break 3,000 per game, so I think at least three of those will be goners. Peoria didn't get off to a great start either as they only drew 3,165 per game this season. I'd sure hate to see them leave the af2, being our closest geographic rival. Historically speaking, however, Peoria has not been able to keep an indoor football team for very long.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby dogbo on Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:13 am

Very nice. I think things look very rosey for the future of the Barnstormers. From the Des Moines Register...

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The Iowa Barnstormers have received the President's Award for having the best-operated franchise for 2008 in arenafootball2.

The Barnstormers, revived after a seven-year absence, proved to be one of the most popular draws in the league in their return. They ranked second among 29 teams with an average attendance of 9,341 and sold more than 4,000 season tickets. The team was also cited for its "strong organizational business plan, dedication to the community and a focused commitment to the fans."

"We had an incredible return, but let it be known, that our sights for 2009 are on one award and one award only — bringing an Arena Cup Championship to Des Moines," Barnstormers president Jeff Lamberti said.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby dogbo on Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:16 pm

Now is the time to order Barnstormer season tix and pay the same price as last season.

If you're wanting to support a local minor league team, IMO this is the best value/least time & money commitment out there wth the highest return on entertainment value.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby mirage1 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:42 pm

reminder to all....the hot entertainment ticket of the upcoming week will be the Barnstormer's return to Wells Fargo next Saturday night.

the 'Stormers are coming off a huge win in Milwaulkee last night in their opening game, and Coach Gregory is quoted in the Register as saying this team is greatly improved over last years.....an interesting comment knowing last years expansion team was no slouch.

don't miss the pregame concert and all that will be offered outside of the arena....word is they are expecting a large and fun crowd for the game!
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby DMRyan on Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:13 pm

I've already gotten the tix for that game and looking forward to it since I never did make it to a game last year.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby dogbo on Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:16 pm

I'm really looking forward to next Saturday night's game!! With the lousy college bb season we just completed (no offense, UNI), I think people in central Iowa are looking for something to cheer about again.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby DMRyan on Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:26 am

Wow, what a great game last night in front of a new home field record crowd of 11,627 for AFL2 in Des Moines! The game came down to the final seconds and the Barnstormers are now 2-0, winning against the Tulsa Talons by a score of 73-68.

The next game is April 10th Peoria.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby Mastermind on Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:24 am

That puts Iowa #1 in attendance, although it is only the first game. We managed to surpass Spokane who was last year's largest average attendance holder. Although Spokane may be sellouts or near sellouts due to the smaller arena size. Also, if Iowa can average 10,300 a game that would be better than 3 AFL teams (Grand Rapids,New York & Georgia)!
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby Ingersoll1978 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:49 am

It was a great game! Try and go to as many as you can this season and make the Barnstormers #1 in attendance! We always have a blast.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby mirage1 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:54 am

saturday night's hottest ticket in town is arena football...what a great time everyone had at the pre game party, game, AND after parties in west glen after the game....

i would encourage those that are missing out on this fun to get this entertainment on the schedule for sure!
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby PlatonKarataev on Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:51 pm

Wow, I considered going but decided not to. I guess we weren't missed.

For whatever it's worth, the capacity of Vets was 11,411, so last night's last the biggest attendance for arena football in Des Moines, not just af2.
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Re: Iowa Barnstormer's Arena Football Talk

Postby DMRyan on Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:20 pm

Thought I'd put up a few crappy photos of the Barnstormer's home opener against Tulsa from the soon-to-be-wife's point and shoot camera.

I present to you the view from the cheap seats, mostly pre-game before the beer was flowing. The photos are hazy because there were indoor fireworks that were shot off just moments before. We sat right behind a woman's rugby or football team the whole night, which made for interesting viewing...

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