ISU vs. U of I Discussion

[Ankeny Husker Freak]

So that mean's I can no longer be a Chiefs or Royals fan because I don't live in KC? That's one of the things I hate about Iowa, unless it's not tied back to Iowa, I often get the impression that we are not supposed to give a rip about professional sports this state.

Also, what you said doesn't make you a fan, it makes you a homer. I get asked all the time why i'm a die hard Husker fan and that since I live in Iowa, I have to root for either Iowa or Iowa State. No, I don't.

I cann't stand ISU, mainly because of their fans (cann't sell out their stadium and when they do, it's Hawk or Husker fans who buy up the tickets), constanly complaining that ISU never get's on TV (Big 12 football TV package is a topic for another day) and on and on and on.

And Iowa? I may not be an Iowa fan, but I respect the crap out of Ferentz after being a who the hell is Kirk Ferentz when he was hired, remember, most fans wanted Bob Stoops to succed Fry, to being a national coach of the year and has put Iowa football back on the national college football radar.

As was mentioned before, Iowa has no NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL teams! As sports fans in Iowa, our colleges are all that we can cheer for whether we attended there or not. They are the only significant teams that really represent our state on a national scale.

[NOG]

Wester Iowa wrote:

Nog-Did you give your approval to these transplants to be ISU fans? After all, they didn't go to school there and didn't develop the bond that you did. Rolling Eyes
You contradict yourself just the same as others on this board. It sounds as though you are a die hard Clone fan. Good for you, it's your choice. But to disregard fans of other teams for the same reasons it's ok to accept fans of your team is pretty...well...stupid.

If you would have read a few posts down you would have seen that I admitted doing a poor job with that first answer and went on to explain it was the people who do not support the team and think they are somehow better human beings than clone fans because they made the accompishment of jumping on the hawkeye bandwagon that upsets me about hawk fans. I also went on to say that I know this is a small segment of the fanbase. Since you seemed to have missed it here you go.

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PERFECT example of a 'clone fan.
Why is this argument always brought up? Do you have to graduate from ISU to be a 'clone fan and vice/versa with Iowa? I must not have gotten my "Iowa Hawkeye Fan Application" paperwork mailed in time to actually be considered a fan. What's the criteria? I'm a Steelers fan, though I've never lived in Pittsburgh. Does that count . . . or do I have to go through the Steeler Fan Zoning Commission?

Alright I will admit I did a poor job of answering your initial question. I don't hate the hawkeyes, I hate the segment of their fan base that somehow thinks they are superior to clone fans because they jumped on the hawkeye bandwagon, the ones that never go to games, never donate to the athletic department, never do anything to support the program, other than getting drunk and acting inappropiately in front of families and attempt to some how justify themselves as being better human beings because they root for Iowa over Iowa State. It just so happens these are the type of people I described in my previous post. I am sure these people are not representative of the majority of the fan base and I am sure there is a large segment of the fanbase that never went to Iowa that do a good job of supporting and representing the program. But the ones that I am describing have made it impossible for me to root for Iowa.

Also in the post you are quoting from: I associate being a Clone with much more than being a fan of an athletic team, as being an actual member of the instition, in turn thats what I would consider a Hawk, someone who is or was a member of that instition. Maybe this will help you understand what I am trying to say, someone could be a huge fan of the Air Force Academy, but that does not make them a cadet. At no point in that post do I say you have to be a member of that institution to be a fan of one of their athletic teams. Only that "FOR ME" I feel a special connection when the teams do well that I would not feel if I had just chosen to be an Iowa State fan without having been a memeber of the institution. I base this on the fact that when my pro teams do well it makes be quite happy, but I never get the same warm fuzzies I do from ISU sports and I attribute that to having a connection with the organization.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I hate that segment of the hawkeye fanbase that trashes my school and proclaims their school to be superior and hence they believe they are superior, only to find out that they didn't even go to Iowa. Like I said its a small segment but I have had enough experiences with that segment to turn me off to the hawks.

[NOG]

I cann't stand ISU, mainly because of their fans (cann't sell out their stadium and when they do, it's Hawk or Husker fans who buy up the tickets), constanly complaining that ISU never get's on TV (Big 12 football TV package is a topic for another day) and on and on and on.

I can't stand NU, mainly because of their fans (can't sell out their arena and when they do, its Jayhawk or Cyclone fans who buy the tickets), constantly complaining that NU never get's on TV (Big 12 basketball package is a topic for another day) and on and on.


Funny how that works .

[mistertwister]

I'd have to side with NOG on this one. There is one type of Hawk fan that deserves particular scorn and ridicule. That is the fan that makes fun of and belittles Iowa State fans while having no particular interest or attachement to a Univesity other than its sports teams. Because of Iowa's success, this particular brand of fan can be found aplenty in the bars and on message boards in Iowa.


And I've been a Chief fan for as long as I can remember. I can even tell you why I am a Chief fan, it was because I like to draw the arrowhead symbol on the side of the helmet as a young kid. I though the Chiefs had the coolest helmet so they became my team. And trust me, I wasn't jumping on the Chief bandwagon, this was the 70s, when everyone was a Steeler, or Cowboy fan. The Chiefs were the Bengals until the mids 80s.

I was a Hawkeye fan until I went to college. My next door nieghbor played for the Hawkeyes in the 80s as did one of my friends. Growing up in North Iowa, all I ever read or heard about was the Hawkeyes....until I started looking for a place to get a Design degree. Once I toured ISUs campus I was hooked, it didn't matter to me that thier sports teams sucked, I felt right at home (yes, I know I walked right into that one.)

Thus, I became a fan of the campus, the university, and over time the atheletic program. To be an Iowa State fan is something personal. I'm sure there are Iowa fans and Husker fans that feel the same way, but I find a large part of thier fan base to have no particular attachement or sense of pride for anything related to the university outside of the atheletic programs.

[dmluvr]

Wow, this got all wierld

I guess what I am trying to say is that I hate that segment of the hawkeye fanbase that trashes my school and proclaims their school to be superior and hence they believe they are superior, only to find out that they didn't even go to Iowa.

Yeah---I'll totally agree with you on that---lame! However my friend--ISU has done it too--the hawk's are just sexier about it

and ankeny husker---I was only making a response to whoever the heck it was that made that intial comment. I could care less if your a fan of the tulsa butt pooper's frankly, it's just an interesting dichotomy about iowans.
However, as much as I don't care for the ISU sports program so much, I'm with them 10 fold when it comes to the huskers. That's just dirty---and not a hot kind of dirty dirty. but hey--it's the usa--so you go right ahead and love those huskers!

[dmluvr]

I'm sure there are Iowa fans and Husker fans that feel the same way, but I find a large part of thier fan base to have no particular attachement or sense of pride for anything related to the university outside of the atheletic programs.

well of that has to do with the effect of the size of their schools and almost 'commercial' appeal to them. while I never attended UOI, I love Iowa because admittley I was raised on Iowa, I remember being a little kid and going to the games at Kinnick and what a huge production it was, espically my grandfather--whom I have always and will always imortalize---being a magnificant man--and during Hawkeye saturdays--they were just really speical for me growing up. and then now when my son and I go to hawkeye games--it's very neat for me and for my son as we continue this tradition. Plus I have family in Iowa city as well(not really sure if I get points or not for that)
As far as the hawkeyes being good bandwangon--yeah--there's plenty of them--same as the huskers---

Anyways, to use the whole, well you didn't even go to school there is frankly an understandble, but ultimatley not a complete defendable statement, as mentioned in my previous post. It's that special connection to the team, the moments that one could have shared, albiet while attending school itself, or things that inspired you, a player, game, meeting someone, etc. etc. etc.

The bandwagoner's though?? That's just standard, as college get's to be more pro'ish' your going to see that with major colleges.
Hell, look that at some people who are Oklahoma fans, USC or michigan.
fans, lord knows I've seen plenty of stickers, or young joes wearing michigan hoodies.

Well Anyways, my ass has grown up through the golden years of fry to chuck long, to the 3-9 years of the nineties, to the decay of fry and then the beautiful birth of Ferentz(to whom I've said all along was exactly what Iowa needed), so while I didn't get a diploma from the UofI, I have certainly have earned my right to be a Hakweye. That--and both my brother(who graduated fron UNI) and I (who graduated from NIACC) has given money to the hawkeyes. (it's not alot, so it's not like I'm cool or anything)

[dogbo]

AnkenyHuskerFreak writes:

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cann't stand ISU, mainly because of their fans (cann't sell out their stadium and when they do, it's Hawk or Husker fans who buy up the tickets), constanly complaining that ISU never get's on TV (Big 12 football TV package is a topic for another day) and on and on and on.

Geez....this comment is annoying!!! If Nebraska had two major college teams do you think they'd still sell out their stadium like they do today?!?!!?!?? Imagine for a moment, either Iowa or Iowa State (without the other team in the mix)...it would be the same situation as Nebraska! No major pro sports teams....one major college team.

I think it's pretty significant to consider how well both Iowa teams do in attendance given our small overall population.

You also ask:

So that mean's I can no longer be a Chiefs or Royals fan because I don't live in KC?

Who's talking about who can and can not be a fan?!?!? All I see are 'Clone fans saying, "pls don't look down on us because we're faithfully supporting our team!" Once again (and I feel like a broken record here), support who you want, but don't give us the "we're better than you attitude" if you didn't even attend the 'other' school!".

[iadm]

Wow, another fascinating boys' discussion on SPORTS.

Guess that's all it means when you talk about UI vs. ISU.........